IN 1951___ At the Fourth (4) Annual Conference of State Directors with The Public Health Service and The Children's Bureau: the heads of Dental and Health Programs from ALL 49 states attended. 

Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director, Wisconsin, was the host. 
The following statements are made from a transcription made at the meeting, and the quotations were made to the attendees during the general session. ...., 

Dr. Bull: Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them." 

Dr. Bull: Now, in regard to toxicity, I notice that Dr. Bain used the term "adding sodium fluoride." We never do that.   That is a Rat Poison.   You add fluorides... But The toxicity question is a difficult one."

 Dr. Bull: "I wish I knew the answer to these questions. I don't know why they didn't include a letter from about two thirds of the deans of the dental schools of the universities saying fluoride is a   rat poison   and shouldn't be used."

 Dr. Bull: "Let me tell you the PTA is a honey when it comes to fluoridation."

 Dr. Bull: "One thing that is a little hard to handle is the charge that fluoridation not needed. They talk of other methods, and when they get through adding up all the percentages of decay that we can reduce by such methods, we end up in a minus. When they take us at our own word they make awful liars out of us. And that will be brought up."

Dr. BULL: "Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them."

Dr. BULL: "Now, in regard to toxicity, I noticed that Dr. Bain used the term "adding sodium fluoride." we never do that. That is rat poison. You add fluorides. … But this toxicity question is a difficult one."

Dr. BULL: "We are living down some past history a lot of us helped create. These fellows can just take the statements of the American Dental Association or the U.S. Public Health Service or the deans of dental schools or research workers around the country, and they can prove to you that we are absolutely crazy for even thinking about fluoridation. You are going to have to live that down. There is no way of avoiding it"

DR. BULL: "I wish I knew the answer to these questions. I don't know why they didn't include a letter from about two-thirds of the deans of the dental schools of the universities saying fluoride is rat poison and shouldn't be used."

DR. BULL: "You know these research people-they can't get over their feeling that you have to have test tube and animal research before you start applying it to human beings."

Dr. BULL: "One thing that is a little hard to handle is the charge that fluoridation not needed. They talk of other methods, and when they get through adding up all the percentages of decay that we can reduce by such methods, we end up in a minus. When they take us at our own word they make awful liars out of us. And that will be brought up."

Dr. BULL "Let me tell you the PTA is a honey when it comes to fluoridation."

DR. JOHNS (Texas): "The University of Texas had a research project on some white mice.. But there was the rumor that this research project indicated that fluoridation of water supplies causes cancer."

Now, why should we do a pre-fluoridation survey? Is it to find out if fluoridation works? No. We have told the public it works, So We Can't Go Back On That. Then why do we want a pre-fluoridation survey? 

Dr. BULL: "To be able to show progress in water fluoridation, an annual dental examination is a waste of time and effort since annual changes are not of sufficient magnitude to be impressive."

Dr. BULL "For example, speak of controlled rather than artificial fluoridation; eggshell white rather than chalky appearance in describing tooth color."

Two years ago we really had a mess in Wisconsin with Immunization. We had two county nurses that nearly went crazy, because they had so many sick children from an Immunization Program.

These show that as the temperature rises, the Fluorosis Experience increases with the same fluoride concentration in the water.   The criterion that we have been using is that if there is some 10 to 20 percent FLUOROSIS in the Community , that would not be objectionable, because because in those places the degree of intensity is not greater than the accepted designation of  "Mild."

...some individuals are against fluoridation, you have just got to knock their objections down. The question of toxicity is on the same order. lay off it altogether. just pass it over, " We know there is absolutely no effect other than reducing tooth decay,"  you say , and go on.  

Dr. BULL: "One thing that is a little hard to handle is the charge that fluoridation not needed. They talk of other methods, and when they get through adding up all the percentages of decay that we can reduce by such methods, we end up in a minus. When they take us at our own word they make awful liars out of us. And that will be brought up."

The entire 52 page transcript is available in pdf format.